tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post7113709516233330389..comments2024-03-27T12:35:33.631-04:00Comments on The Deadly Doll's House of Horror Nonsense: A Walk In the Woods With One Foxy AntichristUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-83094061325185366882010-04-09T15:02:48.138-04:002010-04-09T15:02:48.138-04:00Thanks for stopping by Atorxion (if that is your r...Thanks for stopping by Atorxion (if that is your real name; I have my suspicions).<br /><br />I can see your theory making sense too. The Fantastic Mr. Fox's words are definitely the turning point, so 'chaos reigning' could indeed refer to something more than just He letting our his inner beast. When I watched it (still only one time, but I'll totally break out the popcorn for the next viewing!), I just never believed that She's actions post-fox were actually hers. The photo of the shoes seemed like a simple mistake, something HE rewrote as being her intentional abuse. Same goes for SHE seeing the son fall out the window. <br /><br />I do like your theory about both characters being evil due to their nature. My biggest beef with a lot of Antichrist's criticism comes from people who just huff and call it misogynist. I think the only 'wrong' reading one can have is that Von Trier sides fully with HE. That, to me, overlooks everything under the surface.deadlydollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061028044836745499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-11606811378984865342010-04-09T10:32:40.524-04:002010-04-09T10:32:40.524-04:00Haha... a rewatch? I liked this movie quite a lot ...Haha... a rewatch? I liked this movie quite a lot (define like), but I really don't think I could ever watch it again.<br /><br />That's an interesting theory you've got there. I never bothered looking at this film from His point of view, but you may be right.<br /><br />I perceive this film as a study of human nature, and He and She are prime examples that human nature is chaotic and evil by definition. She discovers this unfortunate truth through her studies, and goes along to learn that gynocide took place not only because men are evil, but because women are evil as well. She decides to torture Him in order to unleash his evil nature, which ends with Him killing Her, an act which affirms that both women and men are evil. The fox He encounters in the woods tells him that "chaos reigns," which pretty much means that "nature" will always "reign," and the primitive side of humans will ultimately take over.<br /><br />Glad I discovered your blog, you've got some pretty cool stuff going on around here. Cheers!Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00310144292811089076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-56164367386988020762010-03-12T07:41:37.744-05:002010-03-12T07:41:37.744-05:00Thanks Bryce! We'll see if my theory holds up ...Thanks Bryce! We'll see if my theory holds up the next time I'm in the clitori-cutting movie mood and sit down for a rewatch.deadlydollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061028044836745499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-35050033257509369752010-03-11T23:31:58.834-05:002010-03-11T23:31:58.834-05:00I have to say Em your explination makes the most s...I have to say Em your explination makes the most sense out of any of the various theories and interpretations I've heard. <br /><br />Bravo.Bryce Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040954580033470664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-43013068920362022942010-03-06T10:34:55.381-05:002010-03-06T10:34:55.381-05:00Thanks Drew! I just read your review. Did you have...Thanks Drew! I just read your review. Did you have chance to revisit the film since? I'm curious what some of your interpretations are.deadlydollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061028044836745499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-64798794374832559902010-03-06T08:07:32.473-05:002010-03-06T08:07:32.473-05:00hello
i did a review of this movie not so long ago...hello<br />i did a review of this movie not so long ago<br />and i have to say it were one of the best movies ive seen in such a long time, truely amazing!<br /><br />nice review!Dysfunction Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08092734627918315581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-37149944448965785852010-03-04T13:53:41.421-05:002010-03-04T13:53:41.421-05:00So many great comments!
B-Sol: My clitoris thanks...So many great comments!<br /><br />B-Sol: My clitoris thanks you. And Breaking the Waves is amazing. Say what you will about Von Trier, but few directors get such powerful, no-holds-barred performances from their leading ladies. And as for The Big Question, Von Trier put some kicking penetration in one of his earlier films, The Idiots, and that's DEFINITELY the actors doing the grinding, so hmm...<br /><br />Ashlee: You raise some interesting points. I kind of let go of Gainsbourg in the film's latter half, just cause to me, it seemed like everything shifted to his point of view, but that's one more thing I'll have pay closer attention to. And you make an excellent point about Dafoe's pride in his own powers.<br /><br />Cortez: Just read your review, which is verrrrrry interesting. Funny how differently we see the Dafoe character! I had to skim through it quickly but I'll hit up again later and rethink some of your points.<br /><br />Matt: Great to have you (and your quarter! I'll take it for laundry day). I definitely need to watch more closely for the religious references the second time around. Based on Breaking the Waves, I figured Von Trier had some major wrestling with Christianity, and Antichrist clearly is influenced by that but I'm not sure yet how. Yes, 'Eden' is named Eden and the original sin thing seems important, but I, like you, am not exactly sure how all of it fits in here to the story as opposed to just background style. This was brought up on the Gentleman's Guide to Midnite Cinema this morning, the very irony of the fact that Antichrist may very well be Von Trier's most rewatchable film.<br /><br />(and P.S., I will totally check out No Room In Hell when I get the time this week.)<br /><br />and Chris: There are clearly way more interpretations than I thought just based on these comments alone!deadlydollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061028044836745499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-80433596053735812482010-03-04T12:52:57.412-05:002010-03-04T12:52:57.412-05:00Well said. Your take is completely different than...Well said. Your take is completely different than how I had initially interpreted the film but you make a strong argument. <br /><br />I agree that Antichrist isn't misogynistic beyond its outer layer which unfortunately a lot of people won't see past. I like your take on it being mostly about Defoe's character - about his own grief. That really makes sense when viewed in context of the fox being the turning point.<br /><br />Upon my first two viewings, I had only gleaned that Von Trier was trying to make a horror film about the dangers of grief and how consuming it can be. Your analysis takes it one step further.<br /><br />As for the many religious references and symbols that Ashlee brought up, I think they're a direct reflection on Von Trier's background and personal feelings. It's well-documented that he's had a conflicted relationship with religion all of his life. I couldn't exactly pinpoint what they all mean, but I think he's expressing personal opinions about this.<br /><br />Also, the fact that he was suffering from an extreme bout of depression during the writing process is directly related to the overall grief concept. It's clear that Antichrist is a very personal film for Von Trier.<br /><br />Anyway, that's my 2 cents (er...maybe 25). Enjoyed your review and discovering your blog. I'll stop back soon.Matthttp://www.noroominhell.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-78580084039812609962010-03-04T10:26:43.622-05:002010-03-04T10:26:43.622-05:00Right on, Emily!
King Joe over at Paracinema did ...Right on, Emily!<br /><br />King Joe over at Paracinema did a review there months ago on the film and he inspired two cents out of me before I had even seen it. I was moved by how deeply nihilistic he painted the plot and what lies beneath.<br /><br />I'm still trying to grapple all of the symbols laid out and exactly what von Trier was trying to say. Which for me is always important that I have at least a little insight on the filmmaker's perspective. <br /><br />I agree wholeheartedly that this was not about the evils of women. It was for me about where the ideal of self (indulgence, centeredness, ish, etc. and so forth) could spiral, suck, and lead you. How nature as opposed to spirit comes to consume you. <br /><br />Dafoe believed himself to possess the power to cure his wife.<br /><br />Gainsbourg seemed to obsess over her own conceived power not over nature but her sadomasochistic role in it. As if her actions were justified by the very nature surrounding her. Her call primal... And with it, I kinda questioned her grief.Ashlee Blackwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01530884243523757687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-73018931317846002232010-03-04T10:01:39.620-05:002010-03-04T10:01:39.620-05:00"The very fact that Sandra Bullock will end S..."The very fact that Sandra Bullock will end Sunday night with an Oscar while Charlotte Gainsbourg will be home sipping wine."<br /><br />A very good point. I was a bit disappointed by the film overall, but I did find it technically brilliant. The two main (only?) performances are also terrific. I guess I found it a bit pretentious--I think our opinions differ, but don't worry, I do not intend to wag rusty scissors at your clitoris. <br /><br />And I totally forgot that he also directed Breaking the Waves, I remember seeing that when it first came out, what a fantastic film.<br /><br />OK, now let's get down to the important question at hand: Did Dafoe and Gainsbourg really do it?B-Solhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10717121313061173603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-47626407768392171162010-03-04T09:37:59.591-05:002010-03-04T09:37:59.591-05:00I think it's great that there are so many diff...I think it's great that there are so many different interpretations of this film - I think that alone is a sign of how well it works.Chris Reganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15175026345423194092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1003758772971289930.post-34509233224112763702010-03-04T08:22:59.658-05:002010-03-04T08:22:59.658-05:00I just posted my review of the film this morning. ...I just posted my review of the film this morning. Weird. A truly brilliant film. But I didn't catch the idea of Dafoe twisting around the events to meet his own self-serving needs. Mainly, to thrust the entire blame on his wife. An interesting perspective and definitely one that works. Overall, I think this film works on so many levels.<br /><br />Great review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com